Talk:Siege of Mariupol

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On 16 April 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Battle of Mariupol (2022). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Section sizes

Section size for Siege of Mariupol (34 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	30,765	30,765
Background	12,215	12,215
Advances to Mariupol	87	36,215
Preliminary shelling and advance on the city	12,216	12,216
Mariupol surrounded	23,912	23,912
Urban advances	22	43,261
Russian push into the city	33,819	33,819
Final pockets of resistance	9,420	9,420
Resistance in the Azovstal steel plant	46	32,885
Withdrawal to Azovstal	5,411	5,411
Siege of Azovstal	8,735	8,735
Evacuation of civilians	8,324	8,324
Ukrainian surrender	10,369	10,369
Aftermath	14	14,500
Demolition of buildings and Russification of the city	1,448	1,448
Last Ukrainian holdouts and prisoners of war	3,898	3,898
City government's role	2,727	2,727
Claimed cholera outbreak	5,239	5,239
Ukrainian missile strikes	1,174	1,174
Casualties	17	17,159
Military casualties	7,395	7,395
Civilian casualties	9,747	9,747
Humanitarian situation	8,275	8,275
War crimes committed by Russian forces	2,158	30,978
Shooting of evacuation checkpoints	419	419
Maternity and children's hospital bombing	9,246	9,246
Regional theatre bombing	6,969	6,969
Mass shelling of residential areas	8,334	8,334
Alleged use of chemical weapons	3,852	3,852
Media coverage	8,260	8,260
See also	299	299
Notes	26	26
References	35	35
External links	2,501	2,501
Total	237,374	237,374

Ivantsov

I see his story got some decent coverage "Краще смерть, ніж полон". Історія втечі українського військового з "Азовсталі" - BBC News Україна
Ukrainian soldier survives hell of Azovstal and walks to freedom (euromaidanpress.com) ManyAreasExpert (talk) 23:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTNEWS. Cinderella157 (talk) 01:20, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 February 2024

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Russian commanders and leaders - Vladimir Frolov needs to be added (source (in Russian): https://web.archive.org/web/20220616215054/https://www.infobae.com/ru/2022/04/16/ukraine-killed-russian-general-vladimir-frolov-who-commanded-the-offensive-in-mariupol/) MylowattsIAm (talk) 16:47, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done Per WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE the infobox is to summarise key facts from the article. This addition is not supported by the article. Cinderella157 (talk) 23:01, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is this supposed to mean? I simply said that Frolov should get added in the commanders and leaders section underneath Mishustin. The article would simply get used as a reference that he was indeed a commander and isn't added out of thin air. That would in no way make the infobox no longer summarize key facts from the article. The addition is supported by the article as it clearly states that he commanded the troops during the siege. MylowattsIAm (talk) 18:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where in the article does it tell us who Frolov is and what they did of significance that would lead to their being placed in the infobox. There is nothing in the article to tell us this. Per WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE, the infobox summarises key facts from the article. If he ain't there, he can't be a key fact from the article. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:51, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request: BBC article says 25,000 people not civilians

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What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):

also please change it in the infobox.

Why it should be changed:

The linked BBC article says:

> Ukrainian officials now believe that at least 25,000 people were killed in the fighting in Mariupol, and that 5,000-7,000 of them died under the rubble after their homes were bombed. Mariupol had a pre-war population of nearly 500,000.

It does not say civilians. Alternatively, do not change it but add a citation needed tag or verification failed tag.

References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

Bowad91017 (talk) 14:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found an Al Jazzeera article that says 25,000 civilians. There is no need to change it to people, just add the Al Jazeera article as a source. ‘I had no idea I’d never go back’: Mariupol survivors, a year on | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera Bowad91017 (talk) 17:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

Done I added the new source in all 3 places where the BBC article is referenced, thanks. Jamedeus (talk) 20:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The statement of “western media” calling the siege a pyrrhic victory should be removed

1. The statement falsely implies that the reports of the pyrrhic victory are biased or controlled by the Western establishment, even though they are very credible and unbiased (as opposed to the Guardian, which is less credible and slightly more biased).

2. The Guardian is also “Western media,” so how come it isn’t mentioned as such but DW and The Times are? LordOfWalruses (talk) 21:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you talking about the statement in the lead? Please be more precise when you are making comments about an article. The lead has "some Western reports" and then lists them in the notes; the Guardian is not one of them (but maybe I don't understand your point about the Guardian). And no, it does not imply that those sources are "biased or controlled". Drmies (talk) 21:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]